Problems linking Anope -> UnrealIRCd

[XXanadoo]

Hello,

if anybody can and will help me with a linking problem,
it would be really greatly and nice.

I hope, that groups, i'm posting, are the right and
its allowed to do that lil crossposting...

Configuration:
1 Network with 3 Servers
1 UnrealIRCd 3.2.2b running Win XP as Hub
1 UnrealIRCd 3.2.1 running linux as leaf
1 UnrealIRCd 3.2.1 running linux as leaf

1 Services Server LakeServ 6.01.1, running Win XP
linked local to the hub

trying: (instead of Lakeserv)
1 Services Server Anope 1.73, running Win XP
linked local to the hub

Story:
The network does fine, in defiance of mixing windows and
linux servers.
Lakeserv ist working too with all 3 servers correct.

Now, i wish to use Anope Services instead of Lakeserv,
coz we got an access to a big server now, to running the
services without my DSL disconnect all 24 hours and much
more fast.

Problem:
I can link the Anope Server like before with Lakeserv to
my Hub IRCd, the services are normally available.
But the other 2 linked IRCd's cant "see" the Anope on the
hub and so the services are not available there.

That behavior i see as well as i connect a locally Anope
server on my PC hub, and if i connect the Anope Server at
the big far server.

- Yes, i disconnect the Lake from the net, before i do
connect Anope.
- Yes, all 3 servers has a correct ulines entry (U:line)
and a proper link entry (c/n:line) to the Services, with
correct port- and password entries.
- Yes, i know the term "RTFM". I did it. :-)

I'll be thankful for every good hint, for any URLs of good
info stuff too - both at best in german language :-)


Greetings from XXanadoo


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[dood]

Hey dude, 1st question before I try to help you, are u running the offical
*nix anope or the unofficial win32 compile?

if u wanna talk to me personally, u can find me (_dood_) at
irc.underscorechat.com

doodles

Post by XXanadoo
Hello,
if anybody can and will help me with a linking problem,
it would be really greatly and nice.
I hope, that groups, i'm posting, are the right and
its allowed to do that lil crossposting...
1 Network with 3 Servers
1 UnrealIRCd 3.2.2b running Win XP as Hub
1 UnrealIRCd 3.2.1 running linux as leaf
1 UnrealIRCd 3.2.1 running linux as leaf
1 Services Server LakeServ 6.01.1, running Win XP
linked local to the hub
trying: (instead of Lakeserv)
1 Services Server Anope 1.73, running Win XP
linked local to the hub
The network does fine, in defiance of mixing windows and
linux servers.
Lakeserv ist working too with all 3 servers correct.
Now, i wish to use Anope Services instead of Lakeserv,
coz we got an access to a big server now, to running the
services without my DSL disconnect all 24 hours and much
more fast.
I can link the Anope Server like before with Lakeserv to
my Hub IRCd, the services are normally available.
But the other 2 linked IRCd's cant "see" the Anope on the
hub and so the services are not available there.
That behavior i see as well as i connect a locally Anope
server on my PC hub, and if i connect the Anope Server at
the big far server.
- Yes, i disconnect the Lake from the net, before i do
connect Anope.
- Yes, all 3 servers has a correct ulines entry (U:line)
and a proper link entry (c/n:line) to the Services, with
correct port- and password entries.
- Yes, i know the term "RTFM". I did it. :-)
I'll be thankful for every good hint, for any URLs of good
info stuff too - both at best in german language :-)
Greetings from XXanadoo
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--
Have a lot of fun! ;-)

[XXanadoo]

"dood" <***@hotmail.com> in news:cvoc38$fk1$***@sparta.btinternet.com


Hallo dood,

...sniping the story of my network configuration...

Post by dood
Hey dude, 1st question before I try to help you, are u running the offical
*nix anope or the unofficial win32 compile?

i'm using the win32 compile:
http://www.codemastr.com/anope-1.7.3.exe
Dont know, if this is unofficial or not.

I wrote you an answer to your email too.

Best regards and thanks for ur answer from XXanadoo


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[Martin J. Green]

Post by XXanadoo
http://www.codemastr.com/anope-1.7.3.exe
Dont know, if this is unofficial or not.

It's not (official)

[Martin J. Green]

Post by XXanadoo
Hello,
if anybody can and will help me with a linking problem,
it would be really greatly and nice.
I hope, that groups, i'm posting, are the right and
its allowed to do that lil crossposting...
1 Network with 3 Servers
1 UnrealIRCd 3.2.2b running Win XP as Hub
1 UnrealIRCd 3.2.1 running linux as leaf
1 UnrealIRCd 3.2.1 running linux as leaf

<snip>

You might want to drop the windows Hub (or better drop windows altogether)
and substitute for one of the linux homed ircds and put the windows box as
leaf. Windows sucks royal donkey cock - it's (semi) alright as a desktop OS,
but for a server (especially an irc server) it's a joke...

[David Schwartz]

Post by Martin J. Green
You might want to drop the windows Hub (or better drop windows
altogether) and substitute for one of the linux homed ircds and put the
windows box as leaf. Windows sucks royal donkey cock - it's (semi) alright
as a desktop OS, but for a server (especially an irc server) it's a
joke...

You've benchmarked Windows 2000 Server or Windows 2003 Server for this
purpose? What were your results? What IRC software did you use? What was
your network setup? Did you benchmark with real clients or simulated ones?

DS

[Martin J. Green]

Post by David Schwartz
You've benchmarked Windows 2000 Server or Windows 2003 Server for this
purpose? What were your results? What IRC software did you use? What was
your network setup? Did you benchmark with real clients or simulated ones?

No but I'm almost certain you probably have :P Care to enlighten us?

[David Schwartz]

Post by Martin J. Green

Post by David Schwartz
You've benchmarked Windows 2000 Server or Windows 2003 Server for this
purpose? What were your results? What IRC software did you use? What was
your network setup? Did you benchmark with real clients or simulated ones?

No but I'm almost certain you probably have :P Care to enlighten us?

Post by David Schwartz
You might want to drop the windows Hub (or better drop windows
altogether) and substitute for one of the linux homed ircds and put the
windows box as leaf. Windows sucks royal donkey cock - it's (semi)
alright as a desktop OS, but for a server (especially an irc server) it's
a joke...

That doesn't sound like the words of a person who would be receptive to
reason. I just pointed out that you have no rational basis for your opinion.
Windows is actually a fairly good server OS, so long as you use the server
versions, use decent hardware, and don't try to use it as a desktop in
addition.

Windows, in fact, has some I/O features that Unixes don't yet come close
to. I/O completion ports, for example.

Obviously, software that was written and designed for Unix and not
adjusted to take advantage of these types of features won't run as well on
Windows as it does on Unixes. The way you do some things is very different
on Windows than it is on Unix. That's not the fault of either OS.

There is no difficulty in running an Ircd server on Windows taking over
10,000 real, human clients. Such servers run stable for months without a
problem. Using test clients (which actively flood test channels), 16,000
clients is not a problem. I'm not sure you could handle more than that on
Windows, but generally it is not recommended to try to handle more than
10,000 clients on a single server on any OS -- it makes more sense to add
additional servers.

The problem is largely people trying to do one of the following:

1) Use a desktop OS to host servers. (Windows 2000 server or Windows
2003 server are server OSes, XP home and XP pro are not.)

2) Use software built around the Unix way to do things with a minimal
porting effort (changes only to make it work, not work well).

3) Use low-end hardware with all kinds of problems (for example, many
graphics cards typically installed in desktops aren't designed for 24/7
operation, some hard drives often used in Windows desktops aren't either),
or

4) Use a computer as a desktop and a server simultaneously.

Of these, only the fourth is a problem with Windows itself. I think it's
due to Windows fundamental optimization for GUI use (putting things in the
kernel for performance reasons that are safer in user space).

DS

[Tony]

Post by David Schwartz
That doesn't sound like the words of a person who would be
receptive to
reason. I just pointed out that you have no rational basis for your
opinion. Windows is actually a fairly good server OS, so long as you
use the server versions, use decent hardware, and don't try to use it
as a desktop in addition.
1) Use a desktop OS to host servers. (Windows 2000 server or Windows
2003 server are server OSes, XP home and XP pro are not.)

Not IRC related, but I have two 2000 Server boxes at work with uptimes
approaching 2 years, running some moderate to heavy load too. They are in
an isolated environment, (Dedicated Lan) not exposed to outside network
traffic though.
For an IRC server though, I still would prefer *nix.

[David Schwartz]

Post by Tony
For an IRC server though, I still would prefer *nix.

I prefer Unix as well. I haven't seen anyone say they prefer Windows to
Unix as an IRC server platform. If I wasn't comfortable with Unix and was
comfortable with Windows, a Windows server OS would run an IRC server just
fine (assuming we're talking server software that's actually designed to
work on Windows rather than a 'minimum effort' port).

Windows gets a bad rap as a server OS largely because server software
for Windows is often written by people who don't understand the Windows way
to do things. Doing the minimum necessary to make the code and compile and
run is not sufficient to make the code work well.

DS

[Martin J. Green]

Post by Tony
Not IRC related, but I have two 2000 Server boxes at work with uptimes
approaching 2 years, running some moderate to heavy load too. They are in
an isolated environment, (Dedicated Lan) not exposed to outside network
traffic though.
For an IRC server though, I still would prefer *nix.

I would expect that they're probably not been updated - since windows
updates generally require a reboot? In a production environment this is a
scary prospect :P

[Anthony]

Post by Martin J. Green
I would expect that they're probably not been updated - since windows
updates generally require a reboot? In a production environment this
is a scary prospect :P

No, they have not. There is no real reason though. These two boxes are
on a dedicated lan, as I stated, not exposed to ANY outside network.
The entire Lan consists of the SQL box, a Citrix box, and a few thin
clients (kb/mouse/display only) and a few discrete I/O modules. Both
boxes are located in a secured server room.

[Martin J. Green]

Post by David Schwartz
That doesn't sound like the words of a person who would be receptive to
reason. I just pointed out that you have no rational basis for your
opinion. Windows is actually a fairly good server OS, so long as you use
the server versions, use decent hardware, and don't try to use it as a
desktop in addition.

I wasn't being arsey, just that I know what you do, so from that it would
seem fairly obvious that you would indeed likely have tested it :)

[Tony Miller]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:35:25 -0000, Martin J. Green

Post by Martin J. Green

Post by David Schwartz
You've benchmarked Windows 2000 Server or Windows 2003 Server for this
purpose? What were your results? What IRC software did you use? What was
your network setup? Did you benchmark with real clients or simulated ones?

No but I'm almost certain you probably have :P Care to enlighten us?

Now you've done it. You're going to give him a chance to hump conference
room :)

-Tony

[David Schwartz]

Post by Tony Miller
Now you've done it. You're going to give him a chance to hump conference
room :)

Nah. Oddly enough, ConferenceRoom runs best on Linux.

DS

[Martin J. Green]

Post by Tony Miller
Now you've done it. You're going to give him a chance to hump conference
room :)

ooh does conference room accept that kind of "connection"?

*gets out the KY and goes to download a copy*

:P

[David Schwartz]

Post by Martin J. Green

Post by Tony Miller
Now you've done it. You're going to give him a chance to hump conference
room :)

ooh does conference room accept that kind of "connection"?
*gets out the KY and goes to download a copy*

I'm not at liberty to discuss features planned for future releases.

DS

[Martin J. Green]

Post by David Schwartz

Post by Martin J. Green

Post by Tony Miller
Now you've done it. You're going to give him a chance to hump conference
room :)

ooh does conference room accept that kind of "connection"?
*gets out the KY and goes to download a copy*

I'm not at liberty to discuss features planned for future releases.

You need anyone for "beta testing"? :P :P :P

[XXanadoo]

Hallo Martin,
hallo dood, David, Tony and deadlyryan,

i beg you all, they answered, for excuse my long delay.
i had some private trouble...

FIRST as forwarding: All is running now!
========================================

Post by Martin J. Green

Post by XXanadoo
1 Network with 3 Servers
1 UnrealIRCd 3.2.2b running Win XP as Hub
1 UnrealIRCd 3.2.1 running linux as leaf
1 UnrealIRCd 3.2.1 running linux as leaf

<snip>
You might want to drop the windows Hub (or better drop windows altogether)

Yes, I know, that windows isnt a good idea generally and especially for
Server function. But how i said: i've reasons, to use Win, and in this
connection with the linked linux servers.
The UnrealIRCds always did and do work fine together, there never was a
problem, so with the one older subversion too.
And the Lakeserv services did run proper with that configuration.
I was binding the Services to my WIN machine, because i've the most free
PC power and free network connection width.

Lemme briefly tell u, what i think, it was the reason for the "no-linking"
of Anope:
The one big leafm where i missed the services from anope, is on a T1 wire
and was long time not _completely_ new startet. Only rehashed after every
change.
Now, coz a provider crash that machine was rebootet and Unreal new startet.
And voila - the Problem is forgotten.

I know, its a shame for me, that i didnt remember to try a restart...
But i thought, rehash may be enough for those things.

In the meanwhile, we became the possibility, to run Anope at a university
server under Linux. We have linked the Services now to the T1-lined
Linux Unreal, and it works proper too (after a _restart_ of Unreal again!).

So i relive again, that errors and problems often have only a little, little
reason, that we (i) dont remember.

I will say much thanks to you for your helps anyway!

And i hope, still this year i can buy a second PC for running Linux
again... But in the moment, i'm only able to use Win, however.

For private(!) using, XP seems to be stable enough for server using.
I'm running (all private!) 2 FTP Servers, a Webserver, 4 Eggdrops,
an Opennap-Server with 750 Users and the UnrealIRCd - an it runs good.

The badest thing for me is the kidding slow DSL Upload with poor 128
KBit and the 24-hour disconnect.


Thanks and greets from XXanadoo


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[Martin J. Green]

Post by XXanadoo
Yes, I know, that windows isnt a good idea generally and especially for
Server function. But how i said: i've reasons, to use Win, and in this
connection with the linked linux servers.
The UnrealIRCds always did and do work fine together, there never was a
problem, so with the one older subversion too.
And the Lakeserv services did run proper with that configuration.
I was binding the Services to my WIN machine, because i've the most free
PC power and free network connection width.
Lemme briefly tell u, what i think, it was the reason for the "no-linking"
The one big leafm where i missed the services from anope, is on a T1 wire
and was long time not _completely_ new startet. Only rehashed after every
change.
Now, coz a provider crash that machine was rebootet and Unreal new startet.
And voila - the Problem is forgotten.
I know, its a shame for me, that i didnt remember to try a restart...
But i thought, rehash may be enough for those things.
In the meanwhile, we became the possibility, to run Anope at a university
server under Linux. We have linked the Services now to the T1-lined
Linux Unreal, and it works proper too (after a _restart_ of Unreal again!).
So i relive again, that errors and problems often have only a little, little
reason, that we (i) dont remember.
I will say much thanks to you for your helps anyway!
And i hope, still this year i can buy a second PC for running Linux
again... But in the moment, i'm only able to use Win, however.
For private(!) using, XP seems to be stable enough for server using.
I'm running (all private!) 2 FTP Servers, a Webserver, 4 Eggdrops,
an Opennap-Server with 750 Users and the UnrealIRCd - an it runs good.
The badest thing for me is the kidding slow DSL Upload with poor 128
KBit and the 24-hour disconnect.

Any chance of a translation?

[d***@gmail.com]

btw if your interested, anope 1.7.8 win32 is out..and it hav module
support

[XXanadoo]

Hallo deadlyryan,

Post by d***@gmail.com
btw if your interested, anope 1.7.8 win32 is out..and it hav module
support

yes, thanks for the hint!
How i wrote in the other posting, Anope now runs as *nix at a UNI-server.
But to test and learn about Anope, its really good to have a testing
environment on the PC at home - so i've the best access and can observe
all details of behavior optimal :)


Thanks and greetings from XXanadoo


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[Spuds]

XXanadoo:

You might want to compile the hub on a Linux machine and link it to that
server for testing purposes. The Windows version of Anope has a UserKey
directive that seems to be ignored by the Linux version. If anope uses
this directive, then what you might find is that UnrealIRCd may require
their use under Windows on your hub, but they are definately ignored
under Linux.

Just compile under linux, drop in your current config, comment out the
Windows DLL modules, uncomment the linux *.so modules and be sure that
the modules are placed in the proper path.

This is the only thing I can think of. The ONLY mention of the UserKey
directive in the services.conf file on Anope's forums don't really
mention exactly what they are for. I haven't gone to their chat channel
to ask, as that would be last resort for me.

If there's anything additional I can help you with, I'd be happy to help.

Spuds
***@yournode.com
YourNode.com INSTANT IRC Network http://www.yournode.com

Post by XXanadoo
Hallo deadlyryan,

Post by d***@gmail.com
btw if your interested, anope 1.7.8 win32 is out..and it hav module
support

yes, thanks for the hint!
How i wrote in the other posting, Anope now runs as *nix at a UNI-server.
But to test and learn about Anope, its really good to have a testing
environment on the PC at home - so i've the best access and can observe
all details of behavior optimal :)
Thanks and greetings from XXanadoo
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[Spuds]

After a long tenure in setting up and consulting on IRC networks, and
after running networks "back in the day", I finally decided to start my
own network.

After seeing the (rightfully) tight rules that other networks have in
order to put a server up on their network, I decided that there
certainly should be a place where new and experimenting server ops
should have a place to go and set up a server so that they can cut their
teeth and decide if they want to go to a bigger network from there.

While I consider my new network to be a serious venture of my own, I
wanted to underline that it's a network for hobbyists and serious IRC
buffs alike. I want to give new ops the experience and knowledge that
it takes to move on, though I certainly welcome anyone to stay a part of
the network.

So, as of March 1, 2005, I have started the "YourNode Instant IRC
Network". Instant... like mashed potatoes. The network consists right
now of just a hub. (Me). It will be a permanent hub and a gateway to
the rest of the network. As more serious servers come to join us, I'll
add them as leaves to protect the network in the event of an outage, and
throw in other hubs as we grow. Hobbyists and experimenters will be
welcomed to link and unlink their servers as they please as they gain
experience, but will not be a part of the random server group.

Once a server decides to become a permanent, full-time part of the
network, we'll test their chops for keeping a server up and running and
then they'll become a part of the server "hunt group" and will be able
to at some point be a hub or a leaf themselves.

I want the network to be fun (as do many), but without the restrictions
and burdens that other networks place upon the nodes.

We encourage Bots on the network for games and fun! We encourage you to
present your ideas to us for making our network something to be proud of.

With that in mind, I want to introduce my network:

The "YourNode" Instant IRC network.
You can visit our webpage at http://www.yournode.com
You can join our HUB server for a chat at: irc://irc.yournode.com:6667

I appreciate your attention to this long-winded E-mail. I hope to see
any of you dear readers soon!

Spuds
(Robert Holloway)
YourNode Instant IRC Network ***@yournode.com
irc://irc.yournode.com:6667